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Wayne MacPhail: Hello, and welcome to the first podcast in our Talk from
Memories
series. I'm your host, Wayne MacPhail. In this series, I'll be interviewing
people living with Alzheimer's disease and related disorders and their
caregivers across Ontario. Geoff Dean knows the impact of Alzheimer's disease
first hand. Geoff, who's 65, is a former book publisher. He had to give up his
career to care for his wife, Philma. They were married 42 years ago when they
were both University of Toronto students, but in the '90s Philma showed the
first signs of dementia that gradually worsened. Their two children live in
other cities. Geoff and Philma's sisters trade off assisting her day-to-day. I
spoke with Geoff in the Toronto offices of the Alzheimer Society of Ontario. I
started by asking him how he first met Philma. Geoff Dean: That was delightful. We were
both students at the University of Toronto and met through a mutual friend. And
I was rather intrigued by this vivacious, very attractive young lady from
Trinidad, and was curious and got to know her a little better, and things went
on from there.
Wayne: And what year was that?
Geoff: We met, I think, in 1960.
Wayne: Now, you're white, she was black
from Trinidad. So this was 1960, that must have been sort of an interesting time
for that to happen.
Geoff: It was an interesting time. They
were the days of Martin Luther King Jr. and TV coverage of the riots in Alabama,
and all that sort of thing at the time. It was disturbing to watch that, but the
international students at the University of Toronto were an elite group and very
bright and fun to be with, and at first I didn't think about it. As time went on
and our relationship got more serious, people started to ask if I was sure that
I wanted to proceed with this, and might there not be additional problems to the
regular problems that life brings anyway. And I did a lot of soul searching
about the depth of my feelings for Philma, and I think frankly that any
relationship would benefit from the kinds of challenges and soul searching that
I did before deciding to proceed. And that this was a relationship that I felt I
really wanted to get into for my life, and my feelings haven't changed ever
since.
Wayne: And what was it about Philma that
attracted you?
Geoff: Well, she was certainly
attractive physically. She was vivacious. She was a lot of fun to be with. She
was always positive. Never had any lack of self-confidence or unwillingness to
try something new, and she was bright and just attracted a lot of people around
her.
Wayne: And once you got married,
what did, how did you spend your time, apart from teaching and running a book
publishing company?
Geoff: We got involved in a
number of different things. I was very involved in the trade association
and book publishing. We also started curling. Had children after about - the first
child after about four years, and of course, the two children took a good deal
of time. Especially on Philma's part. She was a teacher and did take some time
off with the two children. Her hobbies varied from time to time. She was always
an excellent cook. Later on in life, she got really involved in knitting, and
then in the last few years, she turned to quilting and made some fabulous
quilts. That's a very exacting craft that really requires a lot of discipline
and patience, but she, as with everything, she just entered the world of
quilt making enthusiastically and became very good at it - and now unfortunately can't
even operate a toaster.
Wayne: Now tell me how that
changed, and when that started changing for her and for you.
Geoff: There were some changes in her
behaviour and moods in the mid '90s, and every relationship goes through its
challenges. So I was trying to figure that out, and I guess she was too, and
just deal with whatever was happening. But I got an assignment to go to the
Philippines and had five lengthy trips in the late '90s, and on the last one in
January 1997 when I called home, she kept asking me the same questions over and
over again and the alarm bells went off. And when I came home after that trip, I
started to log what was happening that was unusual in her behaviour or what she
was saying. And then finally went to the family doctor and asked him what the
symptoms suggested. And his reply was, "They're pretty classic symptoms. I think
perhaps you should prepare for the worst. But we'll have to go through a lot of
tests just to find out what really is the problem."
Wayne: And when he said "prepare
for the worst," what did he mean exactly?
Geoff: I think he was suggesting that it
looked like it could be Alzheimer and was expecting that that would be the
diagnosis. And that is, in fact, how it worked out.
Wayne: And how were you feeling at
this time?
Geoff: It was very upsetting. There were
periods where I got depressed. In fact, I did go through a period of depression
requiring some medication and close monitoring by my family physician. It was
hard to deal with in every respect. I had always been very proud of our
relationship, and here it seemed as if it was just being torn apart by forces
that we weren't familiar with and didn't know how to deal with. And it was very
upsetting.
Wayne: And how did your children
react?
Geoff: She was particularly close to our
son, and he's had a lot of difficulty with this. I think that their relationship
was so close that he's just had a great deal of difficulty facing it. He lives
in another city so that we don't see him very often, and I suppose that's some
sort of comfort to him. But the lack of communication from him is telling in
terms of signaling how much difficulty he's having in dealing with it. Our
daughter was the same way, but very early on she said to me, "Dad, I feel that
I've lost my mother now. She's there in body but certainly the person that
guided me all these years is no longer there. And so now I'm worried about you
and want to make sure that you're all right." That was comforting.
Wayne: Were they concerned about
what was going to happen to them in the future?
Geoff: I did get some admission from each
of them independently that in the back of their mind they do have a worry,
"Might I get it too?" This, again, is something that points up the value of the
Alzheimer Society services, because through the literature and information
sessions and counselling, I've learned that the disease is random - that the
chances of them getting it are very small. And have tried to reassure them of
that and send them appropriate literature and refer them to local counsellors in
the cities in which they live. But it is something that becomes extremely
important to deal with and to, I think, be open about with any family that might
be involved and might have a concern.
Wayne: And how was Philma coping
with this? There must have been sort of moments of clarity. So what would she
say when she was talking to you about how she'd behaved and what she was
thinking and how her world looked to her?
Geoff: In the very earliest stages only,
she did have moments of clarity. The closest she would come to saying anything
about it was occasionally, and in rare moments, she would say, "I don't like
what's happening to me." And that told me that she was aware that she was
'losing it,' to use common jargon. And didn't like the fact that she knew
something was beyond her control.
Wayne: Are you a religious man,
Geoff?
Geoff: No, not really.
Wayne: How were you feeling in terms of
this was unjust, that this should happen to you, or how were you coping with it
in terms of fate or destiny - or anything like that?
Geoff: I never felt it was unjust.
I felt that it was simply something that happened. By that time, I had
learned enough about Alzheimer to know that it was random in terms of who
became victims. And a good friend said something to me very early on, which just
kept running through my head all the time. He said, "Geoff, you're going to
go through some difficult times, and what you must always remember is that it
is never Philma. It's always the disease." And so I would say to
myself I-don't-know-how-many-times-a-day, that it's not Philma, it's the disease. And
those words were of some comfort in that I still have a great deal of love for
Philma and would not abandon her and just felt that this was sad that in, with
such a vital relationship, a great deal was lost. And there was no longer any
ability to share or to travel together or to do so many of the things that we
enjoyed over the years, like concerts and events and travel.
Wayne: You mentioned that your daughter
was concerned about you. Are you worried about you?
Geoff: I'm worried about staying healthy,
because it would be extremely difficult if I were not healthy. I'm concerned
also about remaining active mentally and just keeping outside interests that
will hopefully keep me fresh enough and positive enough that I can continue to
deal with Philma's life, especially as things start to deteriorate.
Wayne: And how do you prevent yourself from getting angry?
Geoff: I have almost never felt really
angry about this. It's something that comes in one's life that one has to deal
with. I feel very sad, but I don't feel angry. And it's only once in a while
when frustration reaches a level, perhaps because I can't get Philma to do
something that she should do, or something of that sort, that I get angry
momentarily. But it's just angry with the frustrations of the moment. It's not
anger that things are the way they are. And I just, I guess that it's just the
love for her that I have for her and the sadness that I feel for her and for our
relationship that keeps me that way.
Wayne: So tell me what life is like with
Philma now. It's been a number of years since Alzheimer took root, so give me an
example of a day-to-day experience for you.
Geoff: Life now is a rather boring routine, frankly. Because
we're not able to travel, we're not able to go out very much. I can no longer
take her to such things as a concert or even a movie, because she'll simply
start talking in the middle of it and may keep on talking without realizing that
she's disturbing it for other people. So we spend most of our time at home
unfortunately. In good weather we try to go out for walks, and I try to get her
out once a day. In winter weather, of course, it's a little more difficult, and
so we end up going to shopping centres a lot. And we used to enjoy shopping
together. Fortunately now she has no interest in shopping or in what the stores
have, so it's just a matter of going there for the exercise. But occasionally
it's even difficult to get her across the threshold at the front door. And so
the day-to-day activities are mostly a matter of monitoring her moods. Trying to
make sure that everything is bright and positive. Looking on the TV guide for
shows that might be of interest to her. It's interesting that she is interested
in watching sports and children's shows and light comedies, and I note that she
reacts rather negatively when there's a show with violence and so on. So I try
to stay away from those. She became a diabetic - a type 2 diabetic - about
five years ago, and that means a special emphasis on the food intake and
exercise. And her sister is a very cooperative and dedicated individual who
cooks all of her meals so that I just have to heat them up in the microwave. So
I have to watch the time for that. She's still able to dress herself somewhat
and needs some prompting to go to the bathroom. So I'm constantly watching the
time for that, just to try to make sure that that routine takes place when it
should. But around there house, there just is listening to music, watching TV,
listening to her talk. Quite often putting her with a favourite teddy bear or
some other craft piece that we have around the house and listening to her talk,
sometimes endlessly, and having a very animated conversation with those
things.
Wayne: What does
she talk about? Geoff: You can't really tell. Because it's nonsensical.
You can't follow a train of thought. There is frequent mention of kids, and because
she was a teacher, I always try to determine - is she talking
about kids that she taught or kids in the neighbourhood or
perhaps our kids? Most often, I just can't figure that out. And
if I'm sitting with her, I just pretend that we're having a real
conversation and add things or add questions from time to time, and say, "Oh that's interesting,"
or "Really?" or things like that, just to keep the conversation going. And she
seems very happy with that. The only good thing about Alzheimer that
you can note is that as the disease progresses, the individual seems
to have absolutely no awareness of their state, and that's the only good
thing about Alzheimer. That she's not aware of the difficulties that she has.
Wayne: Now this can't be
how you imagined your life would be when you got married in 1963.
Geoff: Not at all. As I said before, I was really
looking forward to growing older with Philma, enjoying a lot of events
together, travelling and so on. None of that is possible now. And
it just, one has to be realistic, and just say, okay that's the
way life is, and we just deal with it as it presents itself.
Wayne: And how are you coping day-to-day with that? I
mean, you said it's fairly boring. What else are you feeling about it?
Geoff: I think sad is the first emotion that comes to mind. Sad, because she was so
vivacious. So energetic. So positive. So creative. And now just can't do anything, and
it just is a great sense of loss. Loss in terms of
what she can do to keep herself happy. But also a loss
in terms of our relationship, and all of the things that I had
looked forward to in happily growing old with her. That just can't happen.
Wayne: And
that's it for the first edition of Talk for Memories. My thanks to Geoff Dean for his time and honesty - and thanks to you
for listening. Speaking of listening, it's time for Word to Remember.* This time
out, the word is "teacher." You'll recall that that was Philma's profession.
Keep that word in mind and visit www.alzheimerontario.org/talkformemories to enter our
Word to Remember
contest. Just e-mail us the Word to Remember, and
you could win one of six iPod shuffles. Good luck. If you'd like to learn more
about Alzheimer's disease and related disorders, please visit www.alzheimerontario.org or call the Alzheimer Society
of Ontario at 1-800-879-4226. Stay tuned for the next podcast in this series
coming soon, and remember, you can subscribe so these podcasts will arrive
automatically right on your computer. I'm Wayne MacPhail. Talk for
Memories is an Alzheimer Society of Ontario production. Good-bye for now.
*This interview was conducted in January, 2006. This
contest is now closed. Please learn more about Manulife Walk for Memories here.
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